prosecution, will allow jurors to hear about zimmerman's studies in criminal justice and efforts to become a police officer. on the stand now, as you see there, a lawyer who taught a course that zimmerman had taken. let's continue to listen to what is being said. >> so even though there might be thousands of individual facts, it could be just one or two that may have significance? >> well, no. all facts have significance. generally look at things from a totality of the circumstances. but there are certain things that, you know, through case law, that have been seen to give more weight. >> sure. the totality of the circumstances is you look at the sum total of the evidence, i take it, and then also apply common sense. >> right, right. reasonable person standard is what is generally referred to. >> in fact, interestingly, it is the reasonable person standard

or the reasonable belief standard which squarely is part of self-defense? >> yes, you can say -- >> we'll talk about that more in a minute, but the work that you're doing now -- >> yes. >> -- are you prosecuting or defending? >> prosecuting. >> just prosecuting? >> just prosecuting. >> do you have the opportunity to defend? >> no, i do not -- not right now, not in the position i am, but the way the jag course is set up, they put you in a certain position and throughout your career you move on to different things. before being a military prosecutor, i dealt with administrative law, federal regulations, interpreting of regulations, giving legal reviews, things of that nature. as you progress, they move you on, like a little circuit. >> that would include defending at some point, perhaps? >> possibly if i chose it. the army sometimes cares about what you want and sometimes it is the needs of the army.

wherever you're best suited, your skill set and wherever they need you is where they're going to put you. >> is this your career? >> i would rather not comment on that right now. >> fair enough. >> let's go back, though, a little bit to the class you taught. you commented that the course book that you used -- first of all, you didn't write the book. >> no, i did not. >> it was a book that was suggested or -- >> suggested. i think the previous professor used that book and when i spoke with the director of the legal department they said, hey, this is the book the we normally use. take a look at it. seemed pretty straightforward, standard book that you would see in a criminal course. >> but it was not florida law. >> no. not specifically. i think they probably maybe

reference majority, minority of states, but i don't think they ever probably talked about florida specifically in that book. >> looking for the other exhibits. >> i have them. >> let me take a look -- >> sure. >> so the textbook that you used -- >> thank you. >> sure. >> -- was not specifically focused on florida law as much as it was sort of a general discussion of a great many topics within this broad subject of criminal litigation and procedure? >> yeah. but then, you know, i tried to supplement that with other materials and things of that nature, discussion to focus them on florida distinction because i thought it was important, you know, even with respect to other criminal procedures and things

of that nature, i thought giving the students some sort of focused concentration on florida law was important so i did that. >> so, for example, in part of exhibit 210, an excerpt from the book that says self-defense. and -- i'll have you take a look. >> sure. >> just this isn't a specific discussion of florida's self-defense statutes or what has been characterized as stand your ground. >> negative. >> so that's true, it's not. >> yes, that's true, it is not. >> okay. >> so your discussions then that would be more focused on florida would have been in the class. >> yes. >> not in the textbook. >> correct. >> okay.

as a member of the florida bar, then you took the bar exam and had to learn florida law in addition to the more broad general principles. >> yes. >> so you had an understanding of florida law as it relates to self-defense, specifically because of the florida statutes. >> yes. >> just for the jury's benefit, a statute is a law that has been passed by the legislature and -- >> codified. >> codified. we say a statute, that's what's written in the law book. >> yes. >> so the law of self-defense is written in chapter 776 florida

statute. >> i'm not sure the chapter and verse, but if you say so, yes. >> do we have it, just to take a look. this is not a trick question. >> no, no, no. it's fine. >> we'll come back to that in a second. >> sure. >> but it's -- the idea is that the laws that are passed by the legislature and then usually signed by the governor and become law are known as statutes and they're in the law books. >> yes. >> and that then becomes the law of the particular state where the legislature has acted. >> yes. >> and you are familiar, generally, again, i won't ask you the specific wording, but you're generally familiar with the law of self-defense in florida. >> yes. >> you talked a moment ago, for example, how the stand your

ground had evolved from the castle doctrine. >> yes. >> stand your ground is a nickname for the statute. the statute itself isn't entitled stand your ground. >> no, i don't think any legislature would write that in such a way. it is a nickname. >> so the -- is the word codification, the codification of the castle doctrine became florida's stand your ground law insofar as the use of self-defense? >> you can say that, yes. >> the castle doctrine is the notion that if you are in your castle, in your home, and you are attacked, you have no duty to retreat. even if you can, you have no duty to retreat, you may meet the force with force to defend yourself. >> yes. >> am i right, generally, on that? >> yes.

>> and then by the evolution of that doctrine into what's been generally characterized as stand your ground, what it did basically was allow someone to defend themselves outside their home if they are attacked. >> correct. >> without the duty to retreat. >> correct. >> before that, before that, if you weren't in your home, and you were attacked, before you could use deadly force, you had to retreat if you could. >> yes. >> if you safely could. if you safely could. in other words, if there is an attack outside, you have to assess the situation, decide -- >> let me hear the rest of the

question then and then you may approach. >> under the old law, with the duty to retreat, if you weren't inside your home and if you were attacked, you would have to assess the situation and make a decision at that moment whether or not you could safely get away before resorting to force. >> yes. >> you may approach. >> as counsel approaches the bench, we'll take a quick break on msnbc. we'll be right back with the george zimmerman trial. stay with us. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare, written by people just like you. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. lovely read susan. may i read something? yes, please. of course. a rich, never bitter taste cup after cup.

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all right, back to the courtroom there in sanford, florida. captain alexis carter, they were

in a side bar for five minutes. lisa bloom is watching that. what was the significance of that? >> how far defense attorney don west can go on this cross examination. we're hearing a mini law school class about stand your ground law in florida. he's trying to turn this witness around to his advantage. on direct examination, this witness says george zimmerman was a terrific student and learned stand your ground and self-defense law that confli contradicts zimmerman's statement to sean hanity, a statement that the jury has seen. >> lisa bloom, thank you. stand we by. don west continues. >> -- talk about these issues with your classes. >> that is correct. >> okay. so what we were talking about then was the evolution of the castle doctrine into what the

legislature did some, what, seven years ago, six, seven years ago, something like that, into what has been known as stand your ground. that's sort of the focus -- >> right. >> okay. the castle doctrine was this idea that if you were in your home -- >> objection. same objection. >> i think a clarification needs to be made if his answers to these questions are based upon his personal knowledge in his profession, or what he taught the class. can you make that distinction? >> say it again, ma'am. >> whether or not your ansers to these questions are based upon your knowledge as an attorney in your practice, or are they also something that you taught the class? >> the evolution of the castle doctrine? >> that's the question. >> yeah.

that would be something that i hit on in the class. >> you may proceed. objection overruled. >> so the -- what that means basically is that when you were at the castle doctrine, when you're in your home and you're attacked, you don't have to worry about whether you can get away, you may meet force with force? >> right. >> and then what happened when the statutes changed, a few years ago, into this -- what has been known as stand your ground, basically the castle doctrine of no duety to retreat was simply authorized in locations other than your own home. >> right. i think what happened is the presumption changed. if you're -- if you're tacked in your home, there is a presumption that you're in fear of your life. a lot of times attacks happen at night, you're scared, you're --

you're woken up by something, so there was a presumption that you're in fear of your life. so that's how that came about. and then it extended outside of the home, but there wasn't that same presumption, same presumption doesn't exist outside of the home. it is dwelling, residence, i think your vehicle is where that presumption is. but outside of the home there wasn't that same sort of presumption. i hope that makes sense. >> well, i know you're taking us to school, so let me -- a couple of things. you're suggesting that when it occurs in certain -- when the attack occurs in certain locations, in addition is there no duty to retreat, but there is sort of the presumption that if it happens that you are -- will

be in fear for your life. >> yes, so if you're in your home, that's in your home, greater indicia that that person had a reasonable fear of death or grievous bodily harm. >> okay. but if you're in your home, and you -- i don't want to go too far away from why you're here testifying today, but i want to clarify, though, that part of self-defense is, under any circumstance, the reasonable belief that you have to act to avoid imminent great bodily harm. >> oh, yes. no question to that. >> there is an objection. >> i'm sorry. >> the objection is the framing of the question is counsel's version of the law and -- >> i'm going to sustain the

objection and state to the jury at the end of the conclusion of the evidence of this case this court will give you instructions on the law that you are to follow and apply to the facts as you find them. your questioning needs to be as to what he taught the class, not a general discussion on what the law is. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. so when you taught the class, what is the core concept of self-defense when you can use deadly force? >> when you have a reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm. the term reasonable is obviously has two components. so there is a subjective component meaning that i feel like i'm in fear. in my mind, i feel like i'm in fear of death or grievous bodily harm. but when stuff hits the fan, you're judged by jurors. and your actions have to meet a

reasonable standard objectively, so whether or not a reasonable person in your position would have felt the way you felt. >> so what you would explain, then, to anybody that was there that day would be that on the issue of the reasonable fear, it is both subjective and objective. the subjective part is crawling inside the person's head to see what they were thinking and would it be reasonable to them that they would fear for their life. >> right. that's why the totality of the circumstances are important. for example, if you approach me right now, in broad daylight, whatever the case is, i probably wouldn't have that much fear. but, you know, the lights are out, i don't know what's happening, i feel someone grab me, those are circumstances you need to consider and whether or not someone had a reasonable

apprehension of fear. >> so the first part then is trying to understand as best you can from the totality of the circumstances whether that person was in fear, in their own mind. did they think that serious bodily harm was about to happen? >> right. >> and then you're saying -- then there is a shift, and then in order to see if that's reasonable, then the jury then looks at this idea, does it make sense that somebody in that person's situation, with all of the circumstances, would fear that they were facing imminent great bodily harm. >> that is correct. >> nowhere in the discussion of self-defense is it required that the person being attacked actually be injured.

it is really the issue of what they think is going to happen, not what is actually happening. is that right? >> going to object again as to the -- >> the court will instruction the jury on whatever the law is at the end of the case. and that is the law that you are to apply to the facts as you find them. your discussion today is limited to what you have taught in the course. >> yes, i understand. >> mr. carter, the presumption is that any question that i ask you today is either to clarify an answer that you've given to explain the legal concept, or connected directly with the way you would explain these things to your students. >> right. that is -- i understand that. >> i'm not going outside the scope of that. >> understood. >> so what you just explained is how you would explain this

self-defense concept work in florida. >> it is fluid, you know. the law as it applies isn't static, like i said. any change in a certain fact can -- >> captain alexis carter answering questions still on the stand your ground law from don west after several objections from mantei. we'll go to a quick break. right back in the courtroom for you in a bit. yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one. i'm"that starts with one of the world's most advancedy," you certainly are. distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country."

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>> what you explained is -- i'll use a hypothetical we started here. so if you and i were facing each other, and i pushed you or bumped you, and you reacted in great disproportion to what i did, then it turns and you could put me in fear for my life and then i would have the right to defend myself. at that point, even though under the hypothetical, i may have started it. >> yes. >> in that situation, i would be trying to figure out what is going on, how far are you going to go? >> yes. >> how much danger am i really in? >> yes. >> and under that scenario, would it be reasonable that if i were screaming for help, and you didn't stop, over a period of ten, 20, 30 seconds, that i screamed for help, making it

clear i wanted no part of this, then i would have then an appreciation that you weren't going to stop. >> i'll object to the continuing and the specificity of that -- >> sustained. >> without the specific details i'm talking about, that's what you're talking about in a sense that it really doesn't matter that the focus of the self-defense is at the point that the force is used, and it is only really a relatively minor consideration as to what actually started it. >> objection again as to counsel depositing things -- >> if you will rephrase your question because you began it with the former hypothetical that the court sustained, so if you'll rephrase your question, please. >> i will. i'll try. thank you. when you're talking about what you called the imperfect self-defense what you're really talking about is when you're

involved in a situation with somebody, even if you start it, but the tables get turned and all of a sudden you're the one that is being attacked with far more force than you use d that' the scenario i'm talking about. >> can you repeat back what you're asking, so basically in a sense if someone initially felt they were being threatened and they countered that threat with a force that was disproportionate to the force that was directed towards them -- >> right. >> -- yes, that would be an imperfect self-defense claim or imperfect self-defense scenario. >> even in that scenario, the person that started with some lower level of force and the table turns on them and there is a great level of force, a disproportionate level of force, they have the right to defend themselves. >> right. >> objection, again.

continuing, number one, the same. and two, specific -- >> i'll overrule on that one and the answer was given. >> i didn't hear the answer. could it be read back? you agreed? >> yes. >> may i have just a moment? >> yes.

>> thank you, your honor. captain carter, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> any redirect? >> you discussed in the context law, when you're talking about the self-defense law, the idea of claiming it -- the idea of claiming it when you have provoked the action, that enter into the discussion? >> objection, your honor. >> may we be heard at the bench? >> yes. >> in another side bar, going to the bench there, still at the george zimmerman trial in sanford, florida. lisa bloom, the imperfect self-defense scenario. we'll hear about that for the rest of the day. >> that's right. and it is so interesting to me to listen to this cross examination because it gives you insight into where this defense team is going, probably on their

closing argument. one of the things he's talking to this law professor is about it doesn't matter so much who started the fight who was the aggressor. what matters more is what happened at the time that the shot went out. you know, is that a concession from the defense that george zimmerman started the fight? is that a concession that perhaps the prosecution is gain something ground on that? perhaps. perhaps. that's what is so interesting to me in listening to all of this. i don't know how much the jury is absorbing about the law of self-defense. but clearly this was a strong prosecution witness. this is a witness who said that george zimmerman was a very good student and learned about self-defense and stand your ground. that's inconsistent with the statement that he made previously. and the defense is trying to turn this around into a lesson about florida law and self-defense. but i don't know how much progress they're making on that. >> lisa, thanks for that. let's go back to the courtroom. >> you were talking about the imperfect self-defense. is that discussion sort of provoking use of force? >> say it again.

>> in your concept of imperfect self-defense -- >> right. >> -- where you talked about starting from an aggressor to moving to something else, is that sort of provocation? is that the concept underlying with that or is that not what you're talking about? >> what i'm talking about when it comes to imperfect self-defense is a situation where you do not meet the force that -- the force that you are encountering, you meet that force disproportionately. it is excessive force. >> so, i guess the ultimate level of force in these scenarios is -- >> deadly force. >> like a gunshot. >> like a gunshot. >> no other questions at this time. >> thank you. captain carter, may he be

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administrator on the stand right now from the police department, and just stated during direct questioning of what he was reporting on in terms of ride along requests. et stated george zimmerman had put in a request and quoted from it, saying it was to slide poliy chances of a career in law enforcement. now we're in cross examination. let's listen. >> -- when you're looking for that record? >> no, sir. >> okay. >> i didn't find anything related to this ride along other than this form right here. >> okay. then i have no further questions, thank you, your honor. >> thank you. may he be excused? >> yes, your honor. >> you may be excused, your honor. >> call your next witness.

>> can we approach, your honor? >> yes. >> okay, let's bring in lisa bloom, msnbc legal analyst, another side bar, just finished with one witness there, lisa. quick in terms of what they were trying to establish there in his request for a ride along. >> they're trying to establish that george zimmerman was a wanna-be cop, that's the prosecution's argument in this case, that he wanted to be a police officer, but he was not one and instead he was a vigilante on that night. so this witness established that there was one incident in 2010 when george zimmerman wanted to go on a ride along and did that, because he was interested in a career in law enforcement. >> as you look at what we have possibly after this last witness, we have not heard from the medical examiner, but we have not also heard from the martin family. do you expect that later on friday when they do return to court? >> well, i expect that at some point soon in the prosecution's case. certainly we need to hear from the medical examiner who performed the autopsy on trayvon

martin immediately after he was killed. and, of course, the family members to talk about a number of things about the passing of their 17-year-old son, but also the mother, sybrina fulton, to talk about the 911 call where screaming can be heard and i expect her to say she has said to law enforcement that's my son, that's trayvon martin screaming for help in the final moments before that bullet shot rings out. >> back to the courtroom, they'll take a recess until 11:00 a.m. we'll following that right here. when you take in summary what was said by that jag from the u.s. army, by captain carter there, did it work out for the prosecution equally as it did for the defense here? >> i think he was a very strong witness for the prosecution, scoring an important point for the prosecution today, because he said that george zimmerman was his student, in a criminal justice class, that george zimmerman got an "a" in the class, he was memorable as a good student and in the class

this professor, captain carter, now a military prosecutor, covered stand your ground, the evolution from the castle doctrine and what that means in plain english is he understood the law of self-defense, that's what he was taught in the class. he learned it, he learned it well. this is two problems for george zimmerman. number one, he said in the interview with hanity, which the jury heard yesterday, i didn't know anything about stand your ground and, number two, he had sufficient knowledge to come up with a false story. that's the prosecution's position. >> lisa bloom, we got five or ten minutes to take a breather here. we'll continue to watch the george zimmerman trial when it get backs into the courtroom here at msnbc. also time zero in egypt. this as the ultimatum has finally run out of time in cairo. we'll go straight there. expect a statement from the military there any minute. stick with us. you wait all year for summer. ♪ this summer was definitely worth the wait. ♪ summer's best event from cadillac.

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all right, first to the courtroom in sanford, florida. 11:00 a.m. they will return. they're in a short recess for the next 18 minutes or so.

we'll get right back there into florida when they do resume there, day eight of testimony. meanwhile, we move you to egypt. cairo, tahrir square, protesters there in the square as they have been throughout recent days, and there are three things to watch at this moment. first off, we expect a statement from the military, who issued a 48-hour ultimatum to the president, mo hohamed morsi. we expect him to be speaking, we're hearing, possibly very shortly. and then, three, 11:00 a.m. is the deadline of that 48-hour ultimatum that was issued by the military. all three of those things coming together at this moment. let's bring in keshia millham, the washington bureau chief for al arabiya. what do we expect to happen here? >> we know the presidency issued a statement calling for the formation of a coalition government to receive the

elections, blaming the opposition for not engaging the morsi government in a dialogue. and also, an indirect blame for the military saying that siding with one group in the street is very wrong. on the other hand, we hear leaks, we have seen leaks, talking about the road map that the military is contemplating. again, either forcing the morsi government to resign, or remove them from office, appointing a counsel of few major political leaders, again, to oversee the elections. formation of a government that would be led by a military officer. again, you know, to -- and setting up dates for elections, forming a committee to write a new constitution, the old

constitution was important by the muslim brotherhood. these are leaks, but i would anticipate that the content, the gist of these leaks are correct. >> now, as you discussed the possibilities, i want to inform our viewers what they have on screen right now, we are looking at protesters. there have been demonstrations here about for morsi and against morsi. how would you weigh the numbers on both sides? >> most people are -- our reporters and we have plenty of them in egypt, are saying that the anti-morsi demonstrations are far bigger than the pro-morsi demonstrations. it is true the muslim brotherhood has been very organized, but last year the mor morsi -- alienated those who

voted for morsi one year ago. that tells you something about the incredible failure of the muslim brotherhood in delivering on the promises to the people. so clearly the seats are not owned by the pro-morsi groups, they're owned by the anti--morsi coalition. >> back to the concessions that you described earlier and what you are saying are leaks that you're reporting on about the constitution, which the muslim brotherhood would not want to change based on at least what we know and what you said so far. but let's focus in on what the protesters want. we're talking about electricity, right? we're talking about gas lines. that's one basic economic need that they would like addressed. there is also the issue of a theocracy, this is constitutional. the move bit muslim brotherhood to develop an iron-like if you will government structure. and, three, a power grab by the government as some have called. are all these concerns from

protesters out there, are they widely accepted? >> i think they are widely accepted. the power grab is not just the charge. we have seen attempts to infiltrate every government agency, morsi tried to appoint his own people into key positions. he waged a war against egyptian judiciary. he put himself above the law, essentially. he used intimidation against his critics, especially in the media. so these are not really empty charges. ample evidence that there was a power grab on the part of morsi and the muslim brotherhood. at the same time, they keep acting as if they are in the opposition as -- the whole world is conspireing against them. and on the other hand, the opposition knows exactly what it does not want. but the opposition does not have a clear cut road map out of this

incredible dilemma. and the opposition also lacks a unified cohesive effective leadership. and that's why everybody is relying on the army. one of the ironies is that last year, one year ago exactly, we have seen some sort of informal coalition between the islamist and the secular liberal opposition to vote for morsi in order to get rid of the military counsel. and now one year later we have seen that the fortunes of the army have been improved tremendously because of morsi's ineptness and the depression and corruption, so what you have now are three major powers in egypt, the army, the opposition and the muslim brotherhood. and i don't believe that either group -- any of these groups have a clear cut road map out of this incredible impasse and that's why i believe that the

next few days are going to witness a great deal of chaos and unfortunately bloodshed. this is taking place against the background of deteriorating economy. egypt is on the verge of bankruptcy. and taking place against the background of the unraveling of state institutions or even society. i can tell you the police forces are an open rebellion against the morsi government. if you read what is written about egypt today, egyptian society, egyptians are arming themselves in unprecedented ways. a lot of weapons are pulling into egypt from libya. this is a situation that is really unprecedented in modern history of egypt. that's why it is extremely dangerous and nobody really knows how this crisis will end. >> we continue to watch what is happening right now. 4:49 local time, cairo, egypt.

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msnbc just getting information from the ap that egypt's president mohamed morsi refusing to step down, also telling the military not to take sides as the deadline nears. seven minutes until that ultimatum made 48 hours ago comes to an end. our own richard engel is reporting live from egypt for us. tense times now as we get close to what will be 5:00 p.m. local time. >> right now there is an expectation that the military is going to either issue a statement or take some sort of dramatic action in the coming hours, perhaps coming minutes. we're in tahrir square. there is an enormous crowd gathered here.

you can see the flags, they have been shouting patriotic slogans, singing patriotic songs. they are planning this to become a victory celebration. these, of course, are people who want to see president mohamed morsi forced out of power. they want to see the military make good on its ultimatum. when this ultimatum expires is somewhat unclear. there are reports here that it is already expired. other people say it is going to expire in a few minutes. these people want to see dramatic action. they want to see a statement on television that says morsi must leave or he's under arrest. so far nothing like thats th st happened. but the building, we have been told, is now under the control of the egyptian army and the egyptian military is monitoring the output of state tv to try to make sure that there are not efforts by morsi or his supporters to put out contradictory statements. we're seeing mostly morsi put

out his statements, offering reconciliation, saying he won't step down, mostly on twitter and facebook. >> richard, any indication of mobilization or anything different in the streets that you've been able to see there if you were to compare it right now to maybe four or five hours ago? >> reporter: not really. we woke up this morning expecting there would be tanks in the streets because the deadline was today. and generally there is a lot of traffic in cairo. we thought if they were going to deploy, they would do it in the early morning hours. that didn't happen. now the streets are flooded with people. it would be very difficult for them to bring in a large amount of force, especially here to tahrir square. that is possible. and the muslim brotherhood supporters, because this is only one of the protests, the largest protest, but morsi supporters are also gathered, not very far from the airport and they have actually put a defensive

perimeter around there, holding sticks, locking arms. some are wearing karate type uniforms and say they will only go if they are pushed out, they're preparing to fight. they say what is happening here or seems to be happening here if something -- if the army does take decisive action is a coup which they say is illegitimate and dangerous. >> tense times in cairo, egypt, and around the country. could be a historic day here as we get close to 5:00 p.m. local in egypt. richard engel, thank you so much. we'll continue to be watching what is happening there with that ultimatum here on msnbc and, of course, we will also continue to watch what is happening in sanford, florida. they will pick up in about four minutes from now with the court proceedings there. a short break. thomas roberts is up next with continuing coverage of the george zimmerman trial and they'll be set to be back in just a little bit. well now i'm her dietitian... ...and last year, she wasn't eating so well. so i recommended boost complete nutritional drink

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i'm thomas roberts. good to have you with me as we're watching two developing stories this hour. first, court is about to resume any moment in the george zimmerman second degree murder trial after a short recess. and then in egypt, this hour, a deadline for egypt's president mohamed morsi to come to terms to his political opponents or face the military stepping in after days of deadly protests there. as you can see, the crowd swell in tahrir square waiting for something to happen at this being the witching hour that the military gave the president the ultimatum, do something to calm the people of egypt or we will force you out of power. joining me now on the phone is hishel and also joining us from cairo is richard engel. let's talk about the crowd swell we have seen. we are at the tipping point, the hour that the military gave mohamed morsi the